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When your second daughters birthday came, keeping in mind again she is 9, a week later, I asked you if you bought her something. The self-doubt and anguish and stress it caused me resulted in adrenal fatigue and stress-burnout and a sense of despair so far-reaching that it affected me every day of my life, because I could not comprehend how a person could be so mean and vindictive to someone they say they love so much.. She told me I was her best friend. . He left me after several years of a push/pull, secretly planning to end it for a long time, but misleading me. Kim first let me say thank you for being the only voice that says it is possible to stay with a Narc I ordered Back from the Looking Glass I was hiding it as I was reading it but he found it and boy was he livid to put it mildly after being subjected to a horrible rage episode I put it down for a while and felt a bit hopelessIll spare you all the gory details weve all heard them before but my breaking point came when he put my son out (who suffers from depression) and I told him I would be leaving also but that I would come back on weekends I just needed to be able to think clearly while not being subjected to his tyranny under the same roof with him everyday. Its been over a year. I wanted to share that last fall, I called the police to report that my husband was drinking and driving. Further if you carry on like a Narc whilst being oblivious to the fact that its you who is actually dragging everyone down..i promptly fire you! I do love him. Even though he is so full of himself that he made the entire process as miserable as possible for himself and me. It took me quite some time catching up on reading all of the comments. This is the story of my life and almost always my experience when we are on any sort of vacation. As to the books, you may have missed it but I wrote that I have all the books and have been working the workbook and will continue to do so. . Narcissists can only play the game they do if the people around them allow themselves to be deceived by their lies. The constant struggle I am working on and dont know how to solve is how to deal with broken promises. "Knowing that a trap exists is the first step in avoiding it." Trauma bonds are a trap that children form that can hold them back from living healthy lives as adults. I am hesistant as his actions around the birth of our boy showed him to be absent and immature with a failure to own his own behaviour. I have tried to set the boundaries time and time again. He has been a major womanizer and into porno all my married life. You really need the steps in Back From the Looking Glass. This is craziness! Maybe growing would be a better way to describe it rather than changing but the truth is that a person cannot start growing again until their false pride comes down. When anything goes wrong i cant even imply it was his fault. It needs to flap its wings until blood flows to each vien in order to escape the cocoon. This is hell. DA from what was explained to me, a true narcissist does not know how to lovehe knows how to survive on his narcissistic supplywhich is youuntil youre not. Setting boundaries is one thing but if he is not attached to you yet it probably wont work. I dont know what the problem was that you entered counselling about but if he is truly sorry he will accept the new rules of engagement. Ironic, isnt it, how many stories there are and yet in the midst of such circumstances we can feel so isolated. Belli. My eldest is 15 and is still watched getting on and off the school bus!! He rejects Jesus and has become like a god himself with supporters who validate him. ), unless some woman forces him to that isbut think I need to for myself. He has taken away so many things, but he could not brake my spirit. That may not make sense right now but really it is about respect. And SO much pain from people who have walked more than a mile in my shoes. Liar! The only way to reach someone like this is through the pain of consequence. It was my word against hers. People-Pleasing. I ask myself, how can I love a person so cruel? Because for a Narcissist, marriage equals dollar signs. Not throwing it in his face but letting him know that he is not the only person in my life. If you havent checked out the information on this please see the links at the top right hand of this page. I have been a believer and customer of yours for several years now. I was disappointed however, and stuck in my own issues, feeling like I gave and gave and wasnt getting much in the last couple of months we were living together. "I definitely attribute some of my anxiety to this. Then on the first you told me you didnt have the money because it was Christmas and you needed money. I was going to divorce him and he asked for forgiveness and a second chance it was good for a month but he couldnt keep it up and now 7 months later I am telling him I want a divorce our eclesiastical leader is helping he hopes to heal our marraige But I feel my N is immovable to compromise. I will never understand it. The more sensitive a narcissist is to criticism, the more likely it is they'll become mean, vengeful, and vindictive. Another common way for a narcissist's lack of accountability in relationships is to withhold from you as a form of punishment. No wonder I could not communicate with my husband! So I have a question, I hope someone could give me their perspective. Hi Elaine and welcome (-: Stepping out of the way of the consequences you describe would mean having him charged and put in jail for his assaults on you. They want to manipulate us and push and bully us into believing we do not have the right to stand up for ourselves . Try giving him the sort attention you crave. It is our lively hood. One new study showed that narcissists can significantly damage workplace team performance. He doesnt seem to be taking me seriously. The reverse discard is when you subtly push the narcissistic individual to discard you first so that there is a reduced chance of narcissistic rage or retaliation since they feel they have "won" the break-up. I have tried to work thru this with him and have seen a small improvement thanks to the advise from Kim and steve but he is so beyond any reality and reasoning that I have to do what is best for my children and myself. They use name-calling, making fun of people, putting others down, judging. I found that out the hard way after yrs What i do is speak to the child in him at that point. Why do i hurt for him so much when i know it will not change and he has moved on. We have to understand, explain, and educate ourselves on what is actually happening, not just the repeated symptoms. Hi Kim. I just asked him via text after four years of love and devotion is he willing to give it all up for one moment of truth? I had terrible abandonment issues from my childhood and bereavements and his scared child behaviour never helped. I think its a positive sign that yours hasnt latched onto someone else. I only realized what narcissism is about when my current boyfriend told me he was a narcissist , I didnt get it at first. I thought this would be easier than the long, drawn out emotional battles with me trying to get him to be accountable in our relationship. He returned to the USA and after two years and 3 visits, I accepted his proposal. Thanks for all you have shared with me and my sons. Im doing my best to deal with everything. I dont know how to sort out our finances and I cant see where our money is going and so I have opened a separate bank account and hired an accountant to come in and see if they can sort out the mess., I am worried about you, but I dont know how to help you (with your porn addiction) and I am scared that it is hurting our sex life and putting our marriage at risk. I was wore out from defending myself, arguing and emotional abuse. Keep in mind that you earn more than I do and that I am raising two children. While taking 60 days of total leave in a year and doing nothing. So..I learned alot because of this horrid person and a few others, and i will never repeat that kind of stupidity. Narcissistic behavior on the job can arise at any time, with troubling results. Your materials and tips were and are instrumental in my change from complete co-dependency and despondance to feeling stronger and communicating clearly. This was accelerated when I started studying to be a teacher and earn a better wage (planning for when I could leave him). You cannot judge a persons personal choices involving themselves and their body by how it makes you feel, that is your responsibility. Perspective is all important and since a couple usually ends up living in the way the dominant partner prefers the other person can seem passive/ aggressive simply if they dont throw themselves into that lifestyle with the degree of enthusiasm the dominant person would like to see. The only thing you can do with a narcissist is get them out of your hair. Let him ignore you, set your boundry and just walk off. that is healthy and will treat her right. im from a broken abusuded unluved drug home.my parents were awful.what 1didnt think of that was shady the other1would.they were the greety who took from the week and needy.az long as thier lst dollar was in thier pocket they could care less who suffered.well i do believe in karma.and just in case i may neva get the chance 2 hear or c.i kicked them 2 curb.and all my syblenz.i am the only1 out of 6kdz reached out and got help 4 the hell i lived and seen.but i unlike them have self admitance.i dnt lie or deni i tell it like i c it.that causes waves every where in my life.but i no who i am.i am a mother of 5 beautiful kids and they hear i luv u everyday.and there r reprocutions 4bad choices.and i make sure i praise them when they mk good choices. In my marriage, I only said something when I was pushed to the wall and was accused of being the one at fault because he was perfectly happy in the marriage. Is the rapist a relative or stranger? I am only responsible for my self. He makes real good money but tells me he works his ass off for me because I quit my job and hurt us. Years later he still says it was all my fault and I made it all up. The person that I speak of is the worse case of spiritual soul sickness that I have ever encountered in my nearly 60 years of life and nothing that anyone does can do anything more than put up with for a time until in the end, she gets worse than she was when she was the worse the last time. Very subtle and not the sort that you can bring others in on. Just the paranoia, the aggressions, the damage to your property, his alcohol abuse and him breaking in to your bedroom at night and making stories about other people that are not true. I held on to what was left, did marriage counseling, individual counseling, etc. Well I wanted to update. If they find someone else who thrives on this, they'll fall in love quickly. The child is held accountable and encouraged to recognize and understand a feeling . Your indifference is their kryptonite. You are right when you say talking does no good. Did not EVER think he would leave me. and after everything they do we still crying for them?- there must be some personality traits that mirror ours. It is the unhealthy part of their thinking. I can now have an evening in and not feel insecure because Im learning who I am and strangely with his silencing since our last split Ive realised I need to find me. But now, we are looking at the possibility of him losing his business and losing out home. We have to stop becoming fuel for these types of people. No more thinking they can manipulate you and do whatever else they want without having to answer for it. Hi Kim, thanks for the response. I know how painful this feels. I assume there are different degrees of narcissismand though my wife doesnt do some of the more egregious behaviors many of you are dealing with, she is a text-book narcissist in her inability to accept accountability or in any way see the world through eyes or perspectives other than her own. Obviously I wanted my parents to love me; I want this guy to love me, forgive me and at least talk to me on occasion, but hes gone. I have pictures, clear pictures to prove it. You have an amazing insight and Gods wisdom! My husband has not changed in fact he has moved on to another woman whom he can control. Anyones behaviour can seem selfish, irresponsible and mean if it isnt what the other person thinks it should be. They say they are sensitive, but the behavoir is undermining and abusive and can rip a person to pieces, even if they keep their cool, underneath that one can see that they are seething, but they will never admitt it. Thanks Kim. Do you think thats possible? She was passed up the line again and again. But God, do I miss the good. A few weeks later you bought a new one and called my daughter and me over and told us what you did and that you wanted to FIX it and asked her to put it on me. He calls me stupid bitch and screams in my face. MARIE, And I have no idea what to do with the business. You are right on target. He actually even said,or yelled, the whole world is wrong there is nothing wrong with me. He has made threats to kill his biological daughter and her family. Reassuring him that I am not ending the relationship. Thankfully I know that he didnt reject me because of who I am but discarded me because of who he is! I think for my sanity I just cant talk to him anymore. 6 Walk away while they're talking. I wonder who else knows? I want to make the right move at this critical point in our relationship. I was lucky to have had a professional recognize him for who he was before I fell into that trap. This may not be 100% true but you are not the expert are you? Over the christmas break, whilst my daughter was with her dad, I spent 3 fabulous days with his daughter and him only to find on the last day being rushed out of the house so that he could watch a rugby match with his best mate with no idea when Ill see him again. You asked me to lend you the money to pay it off knowing that I made some money on the sale of my house, granted I did not have a new job yet after leaving my old one to move and am a single mom of two. I dont want to be the person he blames for everything, but continuing to set boundaries is only further infuriating him and I find it difficult to cut the imaginary cord with my emotions sometimes. After another long fight, I agreed to add it to your tab and for you to pay it back with your monthly payments. All I can say is wow. I am over him but we have 3 kids and he has created a life of hell for all of us. Surprise! He told me yesterday that he was changing phone carriers because the sales agent hung up the phone on him and he thought that was rude. And i said to him (with tears but very cool): Do not ever do that again. of stress and terrors..overlooking tolerating praying about (God will not do for us what he equipped us to do for ourself) and my having temper storms at him. I will be fine. Ive read a lot of wonderful responses to your article, but I especially would like to respond to Amy. You told me you did not have your car because your brother needed it for work and could not rent a car because you had no credit card. It is almost as if. I didnt say a word. Holding narcissists ACCOUNTABLE: the DARVO method DoctorRamani 1.26M subscribers Subscribe 10K Share 174K views 2 months ago SIGN UP FOR MY HEALING PROGRAM:. He doesnt qualify to ge a divorce. I can relate to this. I had only met them twice but commanded you for wanting to help them and said yes. But recently it has about chewed me up and spit me out. (2) Damaged my car I have been scared of him & Several times I have ran to my car, locking the doors to get away from him& when I refuse to leave safety of my car, he threatens to damage my car if I dont get out of it, which has resulted in: door Handel ripped off, entire windshield wiper broken off, Three big dents in my door, cracked windshield and him keying my car. Dont let him know that this is being instigated by you. To find out that who you thought was your partner actually had no interest or ability to play that role. She got me conned into coming up here and taking over the lawn and garden. 6 Cut off all contact with them if you can. Do not make it a call for help for yourself or they may suspect you are trying to manipulate them. 5 Guard your sensitive information closely. I have tried many times for the sake of my children. He knows we will have seperate accounts from this point forward, but I dont think he really believes it. I just didnt take his bait and didnt talk about the negative thing he was trying to focus on about me. I see Absolutely zero accountability for his very mean abusive behavior from him and no desire to do so either. Are you safe? I would really appreciate any input. Im here to look for tools, connect with people with common problems, AND offer my unique story as well. I hope that you can turn this marriage around like you did your last! I have a husband with Borderline Personailty Disorder & he is very narcissist. Pain can result in a person becoming angry or irrational and acting out. The good thing I have taken care of many members but most of all this is how I have withstand being married to a man like this for this long. 4. Understanding who I am will get me through the day . I agreed to come back to the relationship with many boundaries in place. We have been together 13 years, and it was only just in the last few that Ive identified him as a narcissist for what that truly means. I hear it in him. These people arent logical. And for the past year+ I have asked him repeatedly to tell me what made him so angrywhat can I do to make it upcant we work at thisand he has yet to tell meInstead, said hes never coming back, could never work, wont see me and talk face to face, and now fading away again (no calls no texts). Maintain Boundaries. I did this wrong more than once before, I wanted to leave him four times already out of anger, out of fear and just in the heat of the moment, when we were arguing. He was a wonderful, handsome man. By respecting my emotional, mental, physical health, financials, relationships with others, mature consequence based choices..it became very easy to see, that at no point, was tolerating this persons selfish, cruel, abusive, irresponsible and dangerous bullsh*t, a correct choice in any way shape or form. It is not wrong to use this survival skill, everyone benefits and it is to ensure your own safety. I told him that I needed him to make decision by tonite which ofcourse he didnt like at all. If I dont look at him in his eyes he says it is rude. Through 15 years of marriage he was never faihful and treated our children and me disrespectfully. Of course he lied about what he was up to. Do I miss them- sometimes. His sister is the same way and I feel for my brother in law. Just dont make your kids suffer cause you love him and dont want to be alone!! We are now over a year on and to this day I still love him but not the same way. I said that I would speak for him and get the whole world off his back and all he had to do was be quiet and useful and learn what it was like at home with him not around. He isolates me from his friends because he knows that I see his other self emerge in front of them, and he does not want me to call him out on it (I have done so before, with terrible consequences). He never leaves them unattended and puts so much pressure on them not to want to see me. Hey Kim! I know that if I just pull a little bit back, give him his own feeling of space he will be fine.. Feeling ripped off - if they didn't get a sizeable inheritance. Its not worth it. Its just he has been so good about making me feel bad if I dont help him out and making it out to be me not loving him. Im burned out on his verbal abuse and lack of accountability, blaming me for his frustrations with how I want things at my house..which it IS, and hes lazy too. I have experienced all of the above, married to a Narcissist with appears Sociopathic & bipolar tendencies as well. Hi all, First time Ive contributed to this blog and wanted to get more info on Because I loved him I needed to say no. Granted he has almost destroyed me mentally but Physically no. Being home is so draining. The truth is, narcissists lack accountability because they get away with it. Your solutions have always been the right way to handle my N husband. Thank you so much for what you are doing, dont stop. I bought your book about 18 months ago, started working on myself and learning how to deal with a man like him and, and I am thrilled to say, we have both made major progress. Medical people are not asking me ..are you under some kind of stress? I understand the accountable methods u suggested, done it that way in spme situations. I am all ears for any suggestions, because right now its hard to sayits o.k. Everything is subtle. It has totally changed my marriage. If you do it again i will go to the police and file a complaint, not just report it, but file a complaint. I have come to understand that there are some people that unless sacrafice is made, they may never know what true good in life they can have. You need to start today. I realised my husband is always trying to prove what a good guy he is to everyone. Seems he decided to leave only after we were married. If money is borrowed I have to ask him to please find a way to make his own money through employment. I either need to do what I think is correct or if its something we need to speak about I will wait until things have calmed down. Does it really make any sense for me to be making love to a man who is not trustable or loving? The first time my son met him he said that man is bipolar and several other people said that about him. But in my house they are the constant fare. Hide nothing and do the best with what you have, but never, NEVER, accept the responsibility for your Nar behaviors. I totally adored him and over time his constant jibes, judgement, derogatory comments, nicknames, mocking and humiliation took its toll on my confidence. I have adopted his ways of thinking. Thank you!. Its very interesting to hear the different experiences people have had. Do you have availability to a womens shelter or crisis hot line? its just not final as in annuled. I arranged that myself. Confused. I am an Australian living in the UK and am a single parent with an 11 year old daughter. It is very enlightening. He was mad, but he has not been pushing this limit since. He does not respect anyone.. His response is that he does not need to tell us whether or not he has moved on, while hurting the ones that love him because not care that he who calls us his family, is feeling this change in him, and yet he refuses to explain.

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