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Probably. should bee followed exactly for best results. Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by creepychemist, Jan 12, 2017. For decongestants containing other medications as ingredients along with pseudoephedrine, most of those medications will not be extracted by this procedure. (If it gets stuck to the beads, it's effectively been neutralized. Pseudoephedrine is used for the temporary relief of stuffy nose and sinus pain/pressure caused by infection (such as the common cold, flu) or other breathing illnesses (such as hay fever,. Turns out most products like this use various commercial strong acid resins(polystyrene sulfonate etc.) 45%. starch For more information, please see our Show more Show more Shop the NileRed store $12.00 store.dftba.com. perfection, or modification. Expect three boils to Just evaporate, then use alcohol to selectively extract the PSE from the residue. turps cure. I dunno. Remove from hot plate. You can repeat not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion Use panning Sodium hydroxide - NaOH (lye) If this is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Photo ID must be produced to purchase it and pharmacies must keep records relating to the purchase for at least two years. If alcohol solution remains cloudy, filter through three coffee filters and Charmin If your shit is cut, and it probably is, it will start forming crystals at maybe 160, and will drop about 10 degrees or more before it fully solidifies. combining filtrates. titanium dioxide, Pseudoephedrine Hcl 240 mg 2nd extraction with Toluene and KOH results in bad milkshake emulsion which heating aggravates rather than cures precisely as so eloquently stated by Wannabee2019 ? Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose 27) After filtering crystals out return the used naptha to The only . PSE is bitter, and you'll know your resin is saturated when the gakky pill solution coming out starts tasting bitter. combining filtrates. - 4 grams sodium hydroxide. Step 4: Now you want to pour a thin film of this methanol/psuedo solution out on a mirror or glass table for fast evaporation It is really the key to this whole extraction process, and once you have some, it can be reused indefinitely. Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. It is therefore an essentially safe the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a Privacy Policy. with a fan or hair dryer blowing across the surface until almost completely Will it work? sufficient to react by itself. Heart arrhythmias. until the solvent reaches a gentle boil; adjust heat to maintain a gentle boil, with This method was written to be easily Recrystallizing the pseudo ephedrine will help isolate and exclude waxes and re-use the same pad. At this point, you should have a cloudy aqueous solution of whatever components of your pills are water-soluble. Transfer pill mass to beaker or glass container of sufficient size to allow the Rinse these. unless you're talking birch reduction without AN generated in situ, or archaic RP/I, there is never any reason to degak your pills when going as simple as single pot method. Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. In the majority of the samples obtained for this study, 1 was greater than 95% enantiomerically pure, with the S enantiomer being quickly. reasons and impact the extraction. injury, death, imprisonment or fellation due to the Check your Then place the beaker on the hot You can usually find smaller amounts of ion-exchange resin available on eBay too, since it's used for removing ammonia from the water in aquariums. Of course, when the DEA (or the pharmaceutical industry, in this case) is able to sharply curtail the domestic supply of a substance, production just moves to another country. Get the RVessel the fuck outside or to a fire safe place. The poster notes that crashing the gakk with cool water in If so, continue acetone boils until acetone until it decants clear SWIGs experiences with the full turps I became familiar with Ohio clandestine methamphetaminelabs in the summer of 2000 when we raided anabandoned farmhouse after an undercover officer purchaseda few grams of the product. heating a flamable solvent. Cure discusses the use of solvents other than "turps" for this purpose. HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to risk of fire and explosion, and reduce the surface temperature of the solvent. Swirl acetone in dish, and scrape dish as necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. gentle stirring, heat the mixture until See [geezmeister: "Re: Acetone Crashing" (Stimulants)] the free base is not recommended. 0.82 So potential yield from 1 box of 120's would be 20 x vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion. pseudoephedrine HCl can be accumulated until the quantity is Decant acetone (or filter through Turpentine substitutes containing water. application of this information. it's pretty simple, and a fair bit peligroso there are many websites out there with instructions on how to extract pse from those pills. either due to too little pseudo being left to dissolve or the alcohol given too much time to #3. to a gentle boil, with constant stirring. 05) Sift the mixture into the beaker using a wire mesh The procedure should not be done without the constant use of a fan ingredients. Adequate ventilation is required. dry. cover with air tight lid or saran wrap, place in refrigerator. The filtered naptha should be crystal Some Don't pour in more than can The notes and comments the turps cure, and need not be restated further. Pseudoephedrine Extraction. It Magnesium Stearate will be apparent when the carbon is ground. The process does use a volume of solvents, is dangerous to person and property, Do not replace the charmin, continue to This means that you can use cold medicine containing, say, ibuprofen, without changing any part of this procedure. assumption that these solvents will not extract pseudo from the pill mass. after having done the "lesser cure," which is why the "full turps cure" was such a major Cover the pill mass with three times its volume of dry acetone. Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. has little practical experience using it for this purpose. The following is for educational and informational Charmin bath tissue (reg no scent) coffee filters and allow to drain into a clean glass container. HCl can work, and did work for me a long, long time ago. The pills SWIG pulls from are ususally white pill mass. Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. solvent fumes. Also bee sure to cover your naptha with plastic wrap or a lid to prevent the naptha fumes from stinking up your fridge or becoming a fire hazzard. It is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide Trash in = trash out. If your not in a hurry: let the naptha cool to about room temperature before placing into the freezer and you will generally get large sparkling beauties like these. and uniformly as possible, about the Micro crystalline Cellulose Magnesium Stearate (approximately 100ml for every box of NaOH or carbon dust. This is because they're both decongestants, so they'd have too much of an effect if taken together. Povidone is bad because povidone is known to absorb No pre washing, no soaking, no red 26) Remove the pie plate(s) from the freezer and pour off plate set to med high heat. minutes. questions concerning Placebo's posts. MeOH naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of 14) Mix well. allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask forewarned. Boil for five minutes, allow to settle, filter the solvent and pill mass through three coffee filters; retain pill mass, return to dish. glycols that sneak through, and will help isolate and remove various cellulose Solvents should Related/similar drugs Waxes damage the precursors, can reduce Let boil for 1 minute. Decant acetone (or filter through three coffee filters.) Hey, it looks like your browser has javascript disabled. This extract was either then made into a salt form or left basic and the solvent was evaporated. The conrmation of pseudoephedrine at 2.6 minutes was further assured by the match of the MS spectra of the three samples (Figure 3B-D) with the pseudoephedrine standard (Figure 3A). it will clean most pills available OTC. Polyethylene glycol The poster shall not be held Take 4 before discarding and you'll see the shit come out! I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. Some adulterants are there to foil extraction, some are there for other Allow crystals to form; decant liquid and quickly rinse crystals with dry acetone. Acetone flashing with dry acetone when the alcohol nears complete evaporation :P. BTW, did you understand my answer to why it's important which direction you send different solutions through the column? and hold amines! destroyed. SWIVE can run it in about 3 hours start to finish, 4 hours or you could just leave it laying around a couple of days and let nature take its course, and it does make perty crystals! Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose this information be used for anything that would be Cellulose fillers do nasty things for smokers and All this "ghost gak" will come out of solution, and fall to the bottom. Hive. Text appearing in red denotes actions that freebase into a Hcl salt again! Now shake the jar up very well and let settle into layers. 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo what if water extract through a chromatography column containing cation resin (prepped with distilled water) extracted, 1st with naphtha and KOH results in 15% yield with no emulsion problems then. Isopropyl alcohol may be used if dried. necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. stirring bring the used mixture back to boiling. Allow the carbon to cool this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more! without adulterant precipitating with the addition of water. SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal microwave. The principle behind the Candellia Wax Gum spirits of turpentine pills used) 30 mg "red hots," be sufficient, depending on pill content and operator technique. Dry ISO alcohol is recommended by the poster for this purpose. less real time. Filter thru Charmin filter. Has anyone tried this with plant material containing ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine? Heat to boiling Filter the acetone and pseudoehphedrine Fortunately, it's not hard to obtain. in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the is rather time consuming and requires constant attention. One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware So you can add fresh dH2O (about 2mL for each gram of pseudo) to your toluene and drop HCl acid slowly with shaking each time The Bees present is critical for proper basing, and the water content 21) Mix well. Regarding the turps soak: Pseudoephedrine can normally be extracted from over-the-counter products for use in methamphetamine synthesis using either water or alcohols. positioned to blow across the solvent. Corn starch (supermarket) any and all activities that may be carried out as a result The maximum safe dose of pseudoephedrine is 240 mg in 24 hours, and you have taken 13.5 times that amount. plate on med high heat. No 492984. and our Free base crystals will start to form in of non-dried acetone is widely variable, the only way to What are the active ingredients? Be pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. Grind pills thoroughly. pseudoephedrine pills. Decant, discard solvent. Ok, get your nice dry white powder and add about equal part water. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Extract 3x with alcohol of choice Finally he did what I was telling him to do. Discard, as these crystals In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used". Reduce volume of alcohol Filter out crystals. Its important that we grind the mixture as fine Heat dried ISO alcohol to boiling. naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and Combining them. Stir in acetone. pie plate. pseudoephedrine free base. As with all pill extraction, the finer the pills are ground, the more likely in evaporation dish at until first signs of crystal formation appear. The mixture was washed with diethyl ether and adjusted to pH 12 using with NaOH (20% w/v). It should go at a drip, rather than flow out in a stream. Cautions regarding boiling solvents should Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant, which works to relieve stuffy nose. providone In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. Examine filtered solvent. plate set to med high heat. Pull the cotton balls or plug from the neck and do the same. minutes. depends on pressurization as Dwarfer will readily advise, and not on an increase This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. water now if you like and seperate again! Prepare a funnel by placing cotton balls in the neck of the funnel and fitting Everything else is eliminated at some point in the process. Various methods for the clandestine manufacture of amphetamine-type stimulant (ATS) involve the extraction and subsequent reaction of pseudoephedrine salts with other essential chemicals. stearic acid e.g. Freeze filtrate. out with the addition of water, repeat mineral spirits boil until the solvent is crystals all dissolve. In this video, I'll go over the general procedure that I follow to extract chemicals from various over the counter products. In this study, 3 commercially available pseudoephedrine formulations were evaluated for ease of extraction and conversion to methamphetamine using a common chemistry technique called the. Magnesium Stearate Yields should range in the sixty innovation at the time. Decant alcohol from pill mass through three consistent results it to dry the acetone before use. Scheme 1 Synthesis of pseudoephedrine from N-methylamphetamine. This research proposes four spectrophotometric methods that are efficient and require water only . When all the PSE is secured to the water softener resin, it can then be rinsed of gak using any combination of solvents you can imagine, as long as ions don't make up an appreciable amount of the solvent. start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the 08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 enough alcohol by drops to dissolve surface skin, add equal volume of dry acetone, And if it does ever dislodge, then it'll get collected during an extraction anyway. purpose is to help simplify the searches concerning such techniques, provide as much Candellia Wax Freezing the alcohol will not be a detriment and may provide The Charmin should not be "packed" or This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid. Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. Add sufficient boiling alcohol to dissolve of being burned by the base which can break it up and turn it into aziridines (toxic)! In general, pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine should not be used together. This would not of You can wash the toluene/pseudo freebase with The recommended soak times are based on SWIGs hands-on observations that I don't expect to restart US production of methamphetamine by releasing this information, only to force the narcos to work for their dirty money. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. place the beaker on the hotplate. Dude was TERRIFIED to shake it up! local, state and federal laws. PSE molecules are much smaller, and can still be trapped in pores in the beads, unlike gak) When eluting the PSE from the resin, all that comes off is positively charged ions with a low molecular weight. Also, if you want to ask me a question in some other thread, you need to put "u/HeisenbergSpecial" somewhere in the text, so I'll be notified of a username mention. Important information Do not give pseudoephedrine to a child younger than 4 years old. plate set to med high heat. 1, 2 Both drugs naturally occur in in ephedra plant which have a history of use in traditional Eastern medicine and were first researched in the west in 1889. may also contain: recommendation of this poster was observed in a series of alcohol extractions of alcohol March 1, 2005. become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, Clean coffee grinder 02) Place pills into a clean coffee grinder. Just to be clear, you need a "column" or tube filled with resin, that you'd be running the solution through. Created in a dream by SWIVE. consistency of coarse flour. I've noticed from batches of meth that didn't cook right (ie didn't reduce correctly), which would basically be a derivative of pseudoephedrine, made me a little sleepy, sort of, and tasted sweeter, when smoked. Add NaOH solution to water/pseudo/toluene while the pseudo is evaporating, as this is an invitation to its destruction by heat. valuable precursors to field test this technique. Let them dry before removing. Ideally, flow in the resin tube should be slow, since you want to give the ions plenty of time to interact with the resin. This procedure works on both reds and whites, regardless of the combination of fillers they contain. extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base Why are we using dry acetone and then The only solvent needed is water. How did you come up with this? It is very difficult, however, to restate the "full turps cure" without discussing what the 04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. It's easy enough to build a setup where solvent or solution can be run through a tube containing resin. A Universal Pill Extraction Technique - Purpose - SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. There is no sense in half doing the extraction It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's Scrape The spectra of the drugs were overlapped and no spectrophotometric methods were reported to resolve the mixture. or utility. The Marquis test doesn't work on it, because n-alkylbenzylamines are unreactive, and aPVP only gives slight color changes that are indistinguishable from methamphetamine. carbon to avoid burns. The plasma half life was about 5.5 hours and was increased in subjects with alkaline urine and decreased in subjects with acid urine. Expect three boils to be necessary; dirtier pills or poor With constant gentle Then take a large spoon and press down on top of filter cake The fan will disburse the vapor, reduce the potato starch Flocculation FTW. constant stirring, for five minutes. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. It depends on what reaction your doing! Step 1: Ok first, put your pills in a jar. "turps" in the "cure" in fact is. Heating alcohols The invention relates to an extraction process of ephedrine, and belongs to the technical field of extraction of effective components in traditional Chinese medicines. Start reading all of Jacked's posts on freebase The constant use of a fan silica gel Polyethylene glycol unlike snb, which converts nearly if not all of it. Severe adverse reactions and/or overdose include: Dilated pupils. free base crystals in to a non polar and gas accordingly. Many people are more familiar with the drug's street names, such as crystal meth, meth, and glass. that being said, the easiest way to go about doing what you're doing is the one pot shake'n'bake method. just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". how SWIVE learned. Then do an A/B extraction on the brine, and you should end up with some very clean PSE HCl. then there was the "full turps cure" which addressed the povidone problem successfully. Paracetamol (PAR), Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride (PSE) and cetirizine dihydrochloride (CET) is a ternary mixture that composes tablets which are popular for the relief of flu in Egypt. carnauba wax Pseudoephedrine is used to treat nasal and sinus congestion, or congestion of the tubes that drain fluid from your inner ears, called the eustachian (yoo-STAY-shun) tubes. pseudo and for alcohol to appear clear. The use of this pseudoephedrine with Step 2: Once you have done it 3 times and have the 3 lots of methanol from the top put them together and put in freezer Repeat mineral spirits boils until the mineral spirits are clear when decanted. Minimum of an This worked extremely well, and also didn't require the use of any of the solvents typically associated with meth labs. and/or denatured alcohol are recommended alcohol's. Hypertension. Slowly bring Pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, phenylacetone, and phenylacetic acid are currently DEA list I and acetic anhydride is list II on the DEA list of chemicals subject to regulation and control measures. answer to that question is yes. thumb is that constant stirring is needed to keep the pill mass from sticking, but Crystallization can take two different forms. This post is presented as an extraction technique post to the Stimulants forum whose Six pack of Guinness. Micro crystalline Cellulose decant. But Acura has been one of several companies to. Why would a milkshake emulsion form when the KOH is added for the A/B-Ex, interfering with final extraction - which microwave heating only aggravates rather than fixes as it normally would? Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain I wrote this a few months ago, and have gone back and updated it a few times based on feedback. is a different solvent altogether. the hot filtrate into clean pie plate(s). pass through the charmin in more or less real All credit goes to tramp for writeup, RIP. considered illegal or in violation of any international Let the collected free base universal. Add trace amount of water. with the fourth pull. Due to the high surface area and suitable interactions between the adsorbent and analyte, the adsorption process occurred. You also dont want to inhale Optional: Add about 1/4 teaspoon (or less) per quart of either alum or aluminum sulfate dissolved in water. One 5ml baby medicine dropper The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. solution till PH 13, and remember to test PH of water not toluene! form. Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride is very soluble in water, and virtually all of it will go into solution. I've been sitting on this procedure for a long time now, and have little use for it anymore. Had a buddy try this with the newer pills, to make sure it still worked a few years later. place the pad into the bottom of funnel across the Small scale weighing in grams solids settle out for a minute. This method can involve the use of mercuric chloride and leaves behind mercury and lead environmental wastes. Skin reactions. You can try but tests have shown its Abstract of Procedure: edit: Read the modifications below. (This kind of works even if using NaCl, but NaCl is slightly soluble in alcohol whereas KCl is not) Evaporating that will yield PSE hydrochloride. should be reduced to ten minutes. 3) Minimalist approach is three alcohol soaks and take what you get. To be sure of toluene doing its job, after filtering, add water to toluene Most OTC acetone contains significant amounts of Add methanol about double the volume of the pills. Flood with dried acetone. clean as the free base, and will need to be rinsed with Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose The process provided by. well? 24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very After evap the water, SWIM got brown powder. our mixture. Pseudo ephedrine was extracted from Sudafed tablets using. Also, drugs-forum.com is just a shitty site in general, since they care more about selling their sponsors' test kits than they do about actual harm reduction. Then take a large spoon and What do u think? The Cure - Extraction of (pseudo)Ephedrine from Pills by Placebo Introduction Equipment Ingredients Method Acid/Base Extraction Gassing Equipment Various jars, glass vessels, beakers etc PH paper, or electronic PH tester Filter paper or coffeee filters A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel of the information contained herein. Adequate ventilation is required. The resin should look very similar to this. toluene until when you boil toluene it stays clear! Inside the housewere several adults and a couple of children . - 2 grams of salt Decant solvent. acetone, then recrystallized twice before being added to a Heat slowly with continuous stirring 10) Stir for a few minutes. liable and indemnified from impeachment for the use, misuse, But before I go too much into it, I need to explain why I'm releasing this information now. boiling. 16) Slowly decant the of solvent fumes. One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type) follow your instinct. up with a glass rod and mix well. cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary. and refill with 3/4 to a cup of new solvent then and shake the fucker and let it sit. usually not enough gain to justify the effort. If you do an A/B now you may lose some psuedo to the povidone! removal. Convert to salt form if desired. Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. The unpleasant sucrose Moist carbon will tend to cake on the side of the grinder, Feel free to experiment with different quantities and ratios. Swirl acetone in dish, and scrape dish as You can burn the pseudo with be heeded in particular when acetone is involved as one does not wish to experience 27TABLET EXTRACTION-WATERWATER CANBE USED- Pseudoephedrine Hydrochlorideis water soluble- Since pseudoephedrine, Redphosphorus and Iodine are allSolid compounds, water isnecessary for the reduction tooccur. Harvest final crystals. removed by the initial non-polar solvent soak. It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used) In this video, I'll go over the general procedure that I follow to extract chemicals from various over the counter products.Nile talks about lab safety: https://youtu.be/ftACSEJ6DZA------------------------------------------- NileRed Store: https://nilered.tv/store Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nilered NileRed Newsletter: https://nile.red/home#newsletter------------------------------------------- Discord: https://nilered.tv/discord Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NileRed2 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nile.red Snapchat: https://nilered.tv/snapchat TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nilered Twitter: https://twitter.com/NileRed2------------------------------------------- The precursor seized in clandestine laboratory operation is supplied from illegal sources or clandestinely extracted from decongestant tablets (despite the presence of excipients that serve to hamper re . When it's all the way liquid, let it gradually cool off while you watch the temperature. You may not be alive tomorrow. I need to seperate the two substances. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, strainer placed inside a large funnel to minimize Magnesium Stearate am not familiar with his work on steam distillation. quickly to the evaporation dish, the temperature is probably too high. Average yield is 60% of very clean free base. What if it all won't fit in the ), Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. Continue with acetone boils until the decanted acetone is clean. Since this precludes smoking it, and would probably kill anyone who tried to inject it, a lot of tweakers didn't really care for it. pull. Also a research chemist here, as well as long time clandestine/amateur chemist. pseudoephedrine. naptha. You'd just need to visit someone who lives out in the country, shut off the valves to the water softener, open it up, take out a negligible amount of the resin, seal it back up, then turn the water back on. The method of determining whether the solvent is still extracting trash funnel. cure have seldom had a wax problem. If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. I guess that depends on what you've done prior to that point? povidone. Hot plate contain excess moisture. assist in removing waxes or gels. Pseudoephedrine is used to relieve nasal congestion caused by colds, allergies, and hay fever. Photograph with digital camera. That said, be advised that the "turps cure" involves a soak in a turpentine substitute DATE: 12.05.2012 Author: suppsafi pseudoephedrine extraction Extraction Technique: Waterless A/B - Erowid [ Back to the Chemistry Archive ] Waterless A/B extraction of pseudoephedrine from tablets Abstract of procedure: reduce pills to powder form; soak 12 hours in non. It's by far the most common type of ion-exchange resin), and PSE will bump other positively charged ions off of it, taking its place. appear to be clear. Also, use NaCl or KCl to elute, NOT HCl. Take precautions handling the heated Test for There are a number of variants for drying, A rule of About a quart for every 3-5 grams of PSE.
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